Thursday, June 25, 2009

Some Context of Holier Than Thou Types

From today's Anchorage Daily News:


From today's New York Times article on Governor Sanford:
But other senior Republican strategists and leaders said they were concerned that their party’s large segment of evangelical voters makes the party more vulnerable to political damage from scandal, especially when it involves politicians like Mr. Sanford and Mr. Ensign, who had both been harshly critical of the infidelities of former President Bill Clinton and others.
From a Wiki on Republican Sex Scandals we see a long list of politicians who have been involved in sex scandals. Granted that many were involved in state and local level politics, a number on this list (without having looked at further details of each) are said to have been particularly vocal against the sexual misdeeds of others. For example:
Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indecency, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him.[102]

The link gives us a longer article that begins with another fallen angel:
It had been a tough two weeks for anti-gay Republican moralists. First, John Paulk, the leader of the bogus Ex-Gay movement was caught frolicking in a Washington, D.C. gay bar.
And then goes on to talk about Glavin:
The Atlanta Journal Constitution notes that Glavin’s Southeastern Legal Foundation has been active in anti-gay crusades as well, helping the Boy Scouts "fend off a court challenge to their anti-gay posture," and leading "a charge against an Atlanta City Hall initiative to provide insurance and other benefits to same-sex partners."
The wiki also got me to other links like this news story:

With the Mark Foley scandal still troubling Republicans, one of the nation's top evangelical leaders is now accused of paying for gay sex. Heading into Tuesday's election, when voters in eight states will decide on gay marriage bans, liberals and some conservatives are saying the party that prides itself on family values has a hypocrisy problem.

Ted Haggard, a staunch foe of gay marriage and occasional participant in White House conference calls, resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and head of his Colorado church following allegations he met monthly with a gay prostitute for three years. Haggard denies having sex with the man, but admits receiving a massage and buying methamphetamine.

Five weeks ago, Foley -- a vocal advocate for exploited children -- resigned from Congress because of sexually tinged messages to male pages. Rep. Don Sherwood, R-Pa., a married father of three, has been burdened by revelations about his five-year affair with a mistress who says he physically abused her.

On tedhaggard.com, the former evangelist has a lengthy "healing overview" in which he refers to these events as "my personal crisis" or "my incongruity." The closest he comes to spelling things out is when he discusses what

...the Overseers, who were a group of 4 pastors from outside New Life Church that were given authority by the church bylaws to investigate alleged misconduct on the part of the Senior Pastor and, after their investigations, discipline or remove the Senior Pastor...

imposed on him after he "confessed my sins to them and resigned all of my positions."

Included in this list of requirements in addition to leaving the state of Colorado and other prohibitions was that he

not engage in any sexually immoral behavior.

That's as close as he gets to suggesting what his 'incongruity' was about. We have to look elsewhere to get the specifics.

Since being fired as pastor of New Life Church amid a gay-sex and drugs scandal, the Rev. Ted Haggard has discovered he's "completely heterosexual."

The Rev. Tim Ralph, senior pastor for New Covenant Fellowship in Larkspur, told The Denver Post on Monday that Haggard's homosexual activity appears to be limited to Denver male escort Mike Jones, who said he and Haggard had a three-year sexual relationship.


The fact that I can't find nearly as extensive a list of Democratic sex scandals (Top Ten Democrat Sex Scandals in Congress shows up a few times) doesn't mean that Democrats are having less extra sex I'm sure. And I can't believe that Republicans aren't capable of making lists of Democratic transgressors. I suspect it's more about Democrats being less committed to sexual purity than Republicans. For Republicans, in addition to the sex, there is often the contrast to their strong 'morality' stance.

"The attention focused on these cases will inescapably lead people to think about these people's hypocrisy," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. "They make a career out of defaming gay people and preaching family values, when it's clear that it's just a veneer." (from Truthout)

When people focus so strongly on demonizing people over their sexual practices, one wonders what they themselves are trying to hide. Is the lashing out at others a way of projecting punishment for their own desires or guilt? Is it 'just a veneer?" I'm sure for some that is the case. What drives the others to such extremes?

Jerry, how about a heart to heart about your gay phobia. Or is it just that you found it stirs up the fears of your flock and they open their wallets when you cry "Gay?"

10 comments:

  1. I understand Bill Clinton. If my wife had been Hillary Clinton, I would have also cheated on her. However in general I find it a serious thing. I mean politicians are our representatives. You can't imagine how bad it is for the "fame" of America when such things turn out.
    Luckily we don't really have these scandals.

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  2. While not at all scientific, my 'gaydar' certainly picked up some blips when I met Mr. Prevo years ago for a joint interview. That was back in the day when he told his congregation on television that he washed his hands after shaking hands with me. AIDS, you know.

    But a bit more seriously, he reports that his father was a chronic drinker, not much love there. And yes, I did suss out something deeply conflicted, deeply hidden. Some day he will need to deal with whatever it was I felt--it isn't completely hidden...

    So yes, Phil, it is for the money; it is for soul-winning. I'll give him that much. But, Steve, much more important, I think he's in this to fight himself somehow.

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  3. I do need to follow up a bit. One objection that keeps coming back is that orientation is a 'choice'. In discussing this particular objection with friends, many of us have concluded that for a sexually repressed person--a homosexual--accepting gay identity is seen as 'choice'.

    As one such 'homosexual' friend from childhood put it to me after he married a lesbian: "I must be obedient to God's commands." For him to be a gay person, in harmony with his orientation, would be willfully choosing disobedience. Ergo, it's all a choice, isn't it?

    Our problem is two cultures talking, using the same words that don't mean the same thing at all.

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  4. Jay, assuming that Kinsey was more or less right, it would seem that for some people heterosexuality is the only option. For others it is totally not an option. Those in the middle of the continuum might be able to go either way. If that reflects how people really work, then some people have no choice and some have varying degrees of choice.

    I just know from experiences over my life that when people can't talk rationally about something, it's time to step back, drop the topic you disagree on, and discuss why they can't talk rationally. It could be repressed desires, it could be that doubting any part of one's theology threatens all the rest of it (since it is supposed to be an infallible whole), or it could be because there are vested interest (the issue is making him lots of money or something else important.) And I'm sure there are other options I haven't thought of.

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  5. Ropi, you get a pass on most things you say here because you're young. I hope when you're 50 you'll think a little differently about blaming women for what men do.

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  6. I wasn't talking seriously. Too bad I can't be ironic when I type.

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  7. And I don't like her since her case with OUR Holy Crown. I heard she wasn't among the people who wanted to give it back.

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  8. Ropi, sorry I missed the irony. I guess that's why :) was invented - to add some body language to this medium.

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  9. You know my sense of humour lacks :) :D :-) etc... As one of my blog readers said I have dry humour so I don't really use them.

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