Anonymous left another message. There's been quite a few actually, a number of which I didn't post to allow him to give me information without publicly revealing clues to his identity. The style of Anon's posts range from 'loose' to 'very reasonable. You may have read a few and not realized it was the same person. And then he slips back into this sort of post. It slides along the edges and over the boundaries of respectful and seems at places to be reacting more to his image of what I'm writing, rather than what I'm actually writing.
OK, being rational isn't the only reasonable option. There's also funny. And tapping into one's emotions is also fine. But being irrational - things like jumping to conclusions based on false assumptions, not responding to the other person's arguments, not being internally consistent, etc. - doesn't help the discussion along. I understand that someone can forget all those things in an emotional reaction. But then as we calm down a bit and get to chatting, I expect one to get over that and into a more rational discussion, one where we aren't making snide comments. That doesn't mean we can't identify behavior that we see as negative or harmful, but that when we do that we try to separate the behavior we see as problematic from the person were talking to. And we point out the behavior we have problems with. When the discussion is in writing, it's not too hard to do.
As I've said in an earlier post, getting something like this once in a while is not a problem. If someone is doing their best to express themselves, but they aren't great writers, no big deal. But it was a flurry of such posts that caused me to turn on the 'review comments' function and to offer some guidelines for commenting here. And suddenly this and at least one other anonymous poster took more care on their posts. So I began approving them.
Let me go through the latest comment with my reactions. This is a comment on the post
Blogging - What's Real? How Do We Know? Stevens, Kepner, Joy? posted April 3 and this comment is dated April 15, 12:27pm. (I've been rejecting this sort of post since last week, but I do want my readers to know what I'm reacting to.) In the comment prior to the one below, I say I have a life beyond the Stevens trial, but I'll pay attention and if I think I have something of important to say, I will. I end with, "If anyone has important info that isn't available elsewhere and they are willing to write in an objective, non-derisive way, I'll consider guest posts." Anon writes:
Well, derivise, and non-objective commentary, has been thrown at some DOJ attorneys from assorted, as if that is some Soccer Club thing, the Artic Bears vs, AMERICA & fed by the cheering, and Esq AK club fans in assorted artic circles.Wev the head, the main nail 'em,, nail the public servants, those outsiders, those lower 48ers
OK, I take this to mean there are Alaskans who are being derisive and non-objective about some DOJ attorneys.
The main public servant attorney under attack by the Artic Club is Nick Marsh.
He acheived a substanial victory in the 9th Circuit, when some of the Artic Club sought to withhold evidence(the Ak bribe matters).
He is a graduate of Duke Law School, and used to work with a big NYC law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell, and was noted in this case:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/351/351.F3d.1348.01-16973.html
OK, I've seen Nicolas Marsh in action at the Alaska political corruption cases. I've given my impressions of him in court which in terms of the important things were mostly positive. I did find him very technically competent, but, particularly in the first trial, I thought his person to person communication with the jury could be stronger. I know about Marsh's previous employment because I googled him during the Alaska trials since the DOJ would give no background information about the attorneys. I'm guessing the victory in the 9th circuit was the Weyhrauch appeal, but I'm not sure the importance of the linked case. It mentions Marsh once as the eighth of eleven attorneys listed for the Plaintiffs-Appellees.
With all the artic club white collar club support group, now -- will Mr Marsh have to hire an attorney(his own attorney), given how the artic club is yapping, and jiving, and going on about the low
fatality rates on red shirts, and the flow of traffic.
Since my most recent post was about traffic fatalities in Thailand during Songkran and how much higher they were than deaths in the red shirt demonstrations, it seems reasonable to conclude that Anon is including me amongst the 'artic club' 'yappers' that are responsible for Marsh apparently hiring a private attorney. (And I have reason to believe that the Anon comment on the
Thai traffic post is from this same Anon.)
Here's a spot where I don't see the logical flow of Anon's argument. I've hardly said anything about Marsh for a long time. I did note a couple of times that he had been on the team that very competently handled the Alaska cases. If anyone cares, they can put Marsh into the 'search blog' window in the upper left on the tool bar above. Is it because I'm not dropping everything else I'm doing to pursue this? Since when are bloggers beholden to do the bidding of their commenters? Now, Anon may take that to be a derisive comment. I think it's a fairly reasonable statement of my take on this. I could be wrong on it being presumptuous, but rather than taking it as an insult or condescension, if Anon were to take issue with this, he should point out why it isn't presumptuous.
I suppose derivise is in the eye of the beholder, it does point that up.
For a while, it looked like Steve was obssessed on blowing the cover for some "annons", to tell who they were not, as if he has that copy right, & as if telling 'em how to write comments on SEA Museums, or fear abounded he would lose friends, if he did not.
I can understand the confusion based on one of my post titles.. But I did address this in an earlier post or comment. And the post itself isn't about identifying the commenter. My post on "
Figuring out My Anonymous Commenter" was not aimed at figuring out who the commenter was, but at the commenter's motives and how I could determine if the commenter actually had access to important information relevant to the Stevens trial fallout. While I think I have an obligation to be polite to people who post here, I don't have an obligation to spend my time responding to whatever they propose for me to do. If I determine it isn't leading to something useful (the commenter has the responsibility to help me see the importance,) I don't need to spend more time on it. And if the commenter is changing the tone of my blog by the number and tone of the comments, I have no obligation to keep posting them. Fear of losing friends? It might be interesting to see who Anon thinks my friends are. My friends respect what and how I write even if they don't always agree with me.
I don't have a need to know who Anonymous is. It would be helpful to be able to distinguish between one Anon and another Anon so I can be sure to respond to them individually. But I respected Anon's privacy and suggested he email me instead of posting to the world if he was concerned.
Anon's response was links to sites explaining government programs to eavesdrop on private email. Since I thought he was telling me he didn't want to be tracked down, I then tried to set up a way for Anon to communicate with me without having to post his comments for the whole world to see. The response to that was blasting me for censoring his comments. I do recognize that trying to communicate that way raised the possibility that some messages from me didn't get read. But I have evidence that most if not all were read.
We have lost all hope of objective, fairness, and bringing out to the artic club other aspects on things, it is most obvious how the Artic Club works.
So, now band this post too, with so many others, and pat yourself on the back as some fairness objective: IN the KNOW from your perspective.
Hey, you pay the hook up fees, that must make you non-derivise, and in the know.
Now, do as your usual -- push your remove button. And, wait for others to examine matters, who do not have that Artic edge/ slant.
I understand this to mean that I'm still hopelessly unfair and subjective, and I'm still going to ban this commenter. I have a license to be derisive (no examples of where I was being derisive.) Then Anon seems to back off a bit. Go ahead, Anon, seems to be saying, give it up and let others, without an Alaska perspective, pursue this story.
This good cop/bad cop routine is starting to get tiring.
So, why am I spending all this time on this Anonymous commenter? (Yes, I'm pretty sure there are more than one of these Anon bloggers, but I'm also reasonably sure that many are from the same person). Because:
- Writing things out helps me think through them.
- I assume that there is a person inside every body despite the masks people hide behind. So I'm giving a shot at some real conversation before I pull the plug on these comments.
- Anonymous bloggers and anonymous commenters are something of an internet phenomenon. I hope that my thoughts here might be helpful to others facing this.
- Maybe someone who has a better handle on this will email me with sage advice.
- Even if I'm wrong and my effort to engage Anon in a real conversation fails, other readers can understand my thinking process as I try to work this out.