tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post3000017168036363710..comments2024-03-27T15:44:43.564-08:00Comments on What Do I Know?: Asiana Crash and Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers Chapter Seven: The Ethnic Theory of Plane CrashesStevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10498066938213558757noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-56289084569186993692015-02-28T12:33:29.725-09:002015-02-28T12:33:29.725-09:00If you've taken the time to read the book, you...If you've taken the time to read the book, you'll see that he also talks about a plane crash in New York... by Americans with (according to the cockpit recordings) a HIGH power distance. I caution you to speculate or jump to conclusions without any hard evidence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-44819488417914195372014-10-06T20:43:33.590-08:002014-10-06T20:43:33.590-08:00Gladwell gave details to build his point of view. ...Gladwell gave details to build his point of view. You don't, despite your "over 30 years" of work with Koreans, and you conclude that his statement is xenophobic. Wow ! You are a magician !<br />So, what's "rather superficial" in his statements ?<br />What's "more complex" ? <br />But I guess facts are your enemies. You are a Believer, aren't you ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-11189841056237626622013-07-12T10:05:57.664-08:002013-07-12T10:05:57.664-08:00Anon July 11 - I tried to write this as neutrally ...Anon July 11 - I tried to write this as neutrally as possible. I didn't endorse Gladwell's account, but presented it as something people would be thinking about and at the end I warned it could be something different. <br /><br />I very much appreciate <a href="http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2013/07/culturalism-gladwell-and-airplane.html" rel="nofollow">the link you sent. Ask A Korean</a> raises serious questions about Gladwell's account. I posted similar, though not as detailed, questions on the Culture of Honor chapter, where I found Gladwell making some pretty big leaps and thought, like Ask A Korean, that he arranged the facts to support his theory, leaving out things that weren't supportive. <br /><br />Ask A Korean's assertions call for some serious attention to Gladwell's work. I'm still tracking down some of the facts on the KAL crashes, and I'm considering another post on this. So, thanks!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10498066938213558757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-89437769473122631962013-07-11T21:40:05.782-08:002013-07-11T21:40:05.782-08:00Thanks for your post. There are a lot of question...Thanks for your post. There are a lot of questions however regarding Gladwell's assertions that Korean culture somehow impacted the management of KAL801. One blogger did a more detailed analysis which found some severe flaws in even Gladwell's basic telling of the story.<br /><br />http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2013/07/culturalism-gladwell-and-airplane.html<br /><br />It should also be noted that this sort of cockpit culture is unique to Korean pilots as well. The United States and Europe had similar problems, resulting in two serious accidents (Tenerife and UA 173). It took a massive retraining of US and European pilots in the 1980s to correct these problems. Unfortunately, Korean Air, focused on it's quick expansion, failed to conduct this training until the Guam accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-80387242575227890912013-07-09T18:08:33.656-08:002013-07-09T18:08:33.656-08:00Sorry - *intimatelySorry - *intimatelyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-5205408000923690342013-07-09T17:16:05.781-08:002013-07-09T17:16:05.781-08:00Anon - 10:09pm glad it was of interest. Thanks fo...Anon - 10:09pm glad it was of interest. Thanks for leaving a note.<br />Someone: We'll see what they find.<br />Anon - 4:56 - I thought that Gladwell did some leaps in his book and raised that question specifically related to his discussion of <a href="http://whatdoino-steve.blogspot.com/2012/08/does-cultures-of-honor-explain-southern.html" rel="nofollow">Cultures of Honor chapter</a>. Specifically what do you find xenophobic or prejudicial in this post?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10498066938213558757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-39958144746898336822013-07-09T16:56:49.191-08:002013-07-09T16:56:49.191-08:00I suppose that everyone is impatient to learn the ...I suppose that everyone is impatient to learn the cause of the accident but that is no reason to speculate or jump to conclusions without any hard evidence. I have lived and worked with Koreans for over 30 years and know their culture intimently. Gladwell has a rather superficial knowledge and it is far more complex than he presents in his book. This kind of speculation strikes me as a xenophobic and somewhat prejudicial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-32841003587051748142013-07-09T11:39:56.240-08:002013-07-09T11:39:56.240-08:00Thanks for this very thoughtful piece! I thought ...Thanks for this very thoughtful piece! I thought of Gladwell's book as soon as the details started to emerge about the frustrating lack of action in the cockpit prior to the crash. The Asiana pilot had less experience on this plane than did the co-pilot, but he was in the superior position. We humans are endlessly complicated and interesting, aren't we?Bob Fullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05163586752702528326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-63717157220404282942013-07-08T16:01:10.791-08:002013-07-08T16:01:10.791-08:00Glad you found it useful Kathy.
Edward, can you p...Glad you found it useful Kathy.<br /><br />Edward, can you point out where anyone has jumped to a conclusion here? This is about as close to a conclusion that I think I came to:<br />"I'm sure that anyone who works in Airline safety has read this chapter and is thinking about this. Or, it could be something totally different."Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10498066938213558757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-43123212033652022712013-07-08T07:47:46.200-08:002013-07-08T07:47:46.200-08:00Let's not jump to conclusions ppl.Let's not jump to conclusions ppl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30897652.post-38095140577987107202013-07-07T05:42:55.286-08:002013-07-07T05:42:55.286-08:00thanks Steve -- excellent postthanks Steve -- excellent postkathy in KYnoreply@blogger.com